Considering key bind for gravity gun - feedback welcome!

For a long time I used the thumb button on my mouse for "use weapon_physcannon". When I recognized the need for having crouch somewhere else than on ctrl (for advanced movements) I eventually put it on the thumb button instead, only to be faced with the problem of where to put my gg.

A former clan mate suggested MWHEELUP, a tip which he allegedly got from some “pro” player. I’ve been using that for some time now, but I’m not sure about it being ok for those twitch grabs - and especially about twitch pushes since scrolling up with my right index finger makes it akward to press MOUSE1 the next instant.

I briefly tried using the default G for gg but it’s a pain when you’re not used to it and I want to be convinced it’s the right choice if I decide to go this way.

I realized I could put +attack on MOUSE3 (scroll wheel click) as well, making it possible to quickly switch to gg and push.

Anyone has any thoughts about this?

If I go with G I also realized I have the option of using "phys_swap" instead of "use weapon_physcannon". On scroll up it would just be too tricky. I think phys_swap has some advantages but it comes at the cost of having to be aware of wether or not your gg is active or not at all times. Any input on this is also most welcome.

This is a tough one. I have gravity gun on G, my movement is ESDF though. I am so used to it I cant imagine changing it now, although I do lose a few upclose fights if my opponent is scrolling gravity gun and resetting the timer faster than me, I wouldnt call it a match breaking advantage. I scroll up for ar2 and down for smg. Those are my fallback weapons when I have my opponent hurt and he is running for health.

Only problem with scrolling gravity gun to reset timer is that you are binding attack twice and if you ever have to play in a competition with GUI only you wont be able to do that (yeah I know unlikely, but who knows).

I use F with wsad, but then again my C is my crouch (I have an awkward config, lol)

[quote=“Walking Target”:28gf3hit]Only problem with scrolling gravity gun to reset timer is that you are binding attack twice and if you ever have to play in a competition with GUI only you wont be able to do that (yeah I know unlikely, but who knows).[/quote:28gf3hit] Hm, well, I might be able to use the scroll wheel click for all +attack if that ever would be the case :lol:
I use ESDF too, so G seems natural to me, but now I’m so used to scroll up - and it lets me do it completely independent of movement.

[quote=“Seagull”:28gf3hit]I use F with wsad, but then again my C is my crouch (I have an awkward config, lol)[/quote:28gf3hit]Yeah, and you also have an insanely low sens, so I don’t know about taking your advice on anything :D

Thanks for your input guys.

I use G, with WSAD movement, F is lastweapon. It was kind of awkward at first, but it grew on me :D

You all use "use weapon_physcannon" rather than "phys_swap"?

Ive had gravgun on Q since i started, with WASD movement, and its always been quick and reliable. That said, ill eventually switch it to a foot pedal along with a few other commands.

Lately ive liked scrolling ggun less and less. While its still useful, its not nearly as reliable as a well-setup manual reset would be and it eats alot of buttons (middle mouse for extra attack, wheel up and wheel down for lastinv).

Generally, use weapon_physcannon is far more reliable than phys_swap. You dont run the risk of ending up on the wrong weapon when resetting the gravguns timer, and phys_swap isnt a repeatable instant switch like the use weapon_physcannon / lastinv combo is.

I have the gravity gun on F, and movement keys are default WASD.

[quote:18z2shjw] I do lose a few upclose fights if my opponent is scrolling gravity gun and resetting the timer faster than me [/quote:18z2shjw]

This is a technique I haven’t developed yet. Is it really useful? If it is, how do u exactly do it?

I use "F" as g-gun and "E" as nades, and "Q" as smg and ar2. Works great for me, using this setup for about 2 years now.

[quote="Ko-Tao":2etn09mt]Lately ive liked scrolling ggun less and less. While its still useful, its not nearly as reliable as a well-setup manual reset would be and it eats alot of buttons (middle mouse for extra attack, wheel up and wheel down for lastinv).

Generally, use weapon_physcannon is far more reliable than phys_swap. You dont run the risk of ending up on the wrong weapon when resetting the gravguns timer, and phys_swap isnt a repeatable instant switch like the use weapon_physcannon / lastinv combo is.[/quote:2etn09mt]

Do you really have to use lastinv to reset the gravgun? Wouldn’t, say, the pistol do the job equally good? It’s not like you’re ever going to run out of pistol ammo on lockdown :)

Oh, and another question. Can someone please tell me exactly how that quick grab technique is carried out? You know, the one ppl use to quickly get things from under the stairs on lockdown. I’ve had it explained to me, but at the time I wasn’t really listening since I didn’t have the right key setup to be able to perform it.

[quote=“Cynips”:w7yu89to]
Oh, and another question. Can someone please tell me exactly how that quick grab technique is carried out? You know, the one ppl use to quickly get things from under the stairs on lockdown. I’ve had it explained to me, but at the time I wasn’t really listening since I didn’t have the right key setup to be able to perform it.[/quote:w7yu89to]

Basically you switch back and forth between a weapon so it resets the grab timer, grabbing it before you switch weapons again.

[quote=“Seagull”:2bs2w0zv]Basically you switch back and forth between a weapon so it resets the grab timer, grabbing it before you switch weapons again.[/quote:2bs2w0zv]
Thanks, so no special tricks really. Seems pressing a key for lastinv twice might be quicker than scrolling first down and then up. Unless maybe then if you have lastinv on scroll down and scroll exactly two ‘clicks’… is that what some people do?

Lastinv wont work if your previous weapon has run out of ammo, which is a major drawback. The best method would likely be to switch to melee and back to reset the gravgun timer, since of course youll always spawn with a bar or stick and they cant be used up.

I use a wolfclaw V2 keyboard, google, i guarantee u will find it interesting ;)

[quote=“Pernicious”:fzthd0yj]I use a wolfclaw V2 keyboard, google, i guarantee u will find it interesting ;)[/quote:fzthd0yj] Agree, that looks interesting. Thanks for the tip. And it reminds me of what I heard in a server a couple of weeks ago. On the topic of bunny hopping the guy said that the reliability of the space bar (assuming you jump with space) could make or break your timing. This, he claimed, was a reason many ‘pro’ jumpers go with the G15. I take it you don’t have any problems with the quality of the wolfclaw space bar?

Can anyone comment on this? Is the difference between decent quality keyboards that big, and do you presonally find the timing of the jumps that difficult? I would’ve said that the quality of my Logitech Ultra-Flat is good enough that it’s up to me (and the server) wether or not I can time my jumps, not the keyboard.

I use a Saitek Eclipse keyboard, and the spacebar doesnt seem to limit me… I have started to wear out the paint on it though :D

[quote=“Zman42”:20vvpqu9]I use a Saitek Eclipse keyboard, and the spacebar doesnt seem to limit me… I have started to wear out the paint on it though :D[/quote:20vvpqu9]On the space bar??!!? :P

[quote=“Cynips”:1m6gu24o][quote=“Zman42”:1m6gu24o]I use a Saitek Eclipse keyboard, and the spacebar doesnt seem to limit me… I have started to wear out the paint on it though :D[/quote:1m6gu24o]On the space bar??!!? :P[/quote:1m6gu24o]
Yep :twisted: my thumb hits the same place on it everytime i bounce…a little spot is wearing out lol. maybe i bhop too much? :twisted:

i didnt quite read all these posts, cause i something about scrolling and laughed and just went to the post reply. f is a great key for ggun. i switch f and g around not too long after i started getting into hl2dm. it just works. as for lastinv, i dont even have that key binded, i prefer to know what weapon im going to pull out next, and just using your binded keys is much faster. scrolling might be good if you cant manually yoyo orbs or something, but i prefer to just switch to another weapon then hit ggun and grab the object again. for example what i usually do is best done when i have a mag because my mag key is q. so when i want to yoyo an object, i fire it, press q then f and hold my right mouse click. sounds complicated, but can be done in about a half of a second if not faster. it can be done however you like, but i always prefer manual everything.

If you are scrolling? You need the key bound to phys_swap not use weapon_physcannon. More people need to define which they are using. If you scroll with phys_swap you should not have any problems. The problem you do have stems from your use of your hand. Your index finger is apparently scrolling and pressing mouse 1. My index finger is on mouse 1, middle finger on the tilt/wheel/mouse3, ring finger on mouse 2, and thumb on mouse4 and 5. only my pinky finger is not used as it stabilizes the mouse. This way I can scroll and shoot or grab all at the same time if needed. Apparently this is rare amoung gamers but you can expect as the future progresses if consoles do not kill us people will begin teaching this hand method as a basic skill, like using laces instead of toes to kick a soccer ball, so I think it wont hurt to make the investment of learning to use all fingers efficiently.

You can also switch any other way but I can’t say any will be better the way ninjins does it assumes he always has a mag which most people are not going to be able to say especially since grav gun battles are so important when you just spawned so unless you are playing aim arena or these other maps with hundreds of mags laying around you could have trouble. If you want to do it what way make your switch to something you should always have like pistol or crowbar/stunstick.